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          Joseph 9 
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        Posted - 2008.01.29 22:01:00 -
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          Internally self consistent quantum fluctuation with a net enegy of zero. Happy now?
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          Joseph 9 
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        Posted - 2008.01.29 22:29:00 -
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            Originally by: Dark Shikari Hint: gravity is negative energy (due to the fact that it takes energy to leave a gravitational field).
  Hint 2: the total positive energy of an object is equivalent to the negative energy of its gravitational field.
 
  
 
 
  Isn't that what I said... and what happens to items with negative charge. Anyway it's probably wrong as the expansion of the universe is accelerating which implies it has to have a positive net energy in some way.
 
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          Joseph 9 
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        Posted - 2008.01.29 22:31:00 -
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            Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 29/01/2008 22:29:27 Big Bang theory is crap TBH. Last time i lit a fire*****er I didn't get a universe.
  Even Darwin noted how it was nearly mathematically impossible for an eye to be made from evolution, not to mention reproducing that eye in nearly every living animal that lives above ground.
  Not to mention, That there is a certain matter that behaves differently than all other matter on earth. and without this ONE.. I repeat this ONE exception out of all the other millions of molecular structures life would not exist. Water EXPANDS as it gets colder, not denser. If it wasn't for this, ice would sink, and rivers, oceans, and lakes would freeze from the bottom up, killing the organisms that produce 75% of the oxygen on Earth.
  That is way more than just coincidence.
 
  edit: crac|<er is censored? LOL
 
 
  And I'm afraid I'm going to get scientific on your ass here. Reference for the bolded text please.
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          Joseph 9 
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        Posted - 2008.01.29 23:56:00 -
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            Originally by: Tarminic And faced with logical evidence, the "zomg big bang is dumb" poster immediately retreats.  
 
 
  Thats unfair tbh, if he's in the Europe he's probably gone to bed. I know I should have. And when I forced him to reference a quote he used he was intellectually honest and admitted he hadn't fully read the quote before and had misquoted.
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          Joseph 9 
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        Posted - 2008.01.30 00:10:00 -
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          Edited by: Joseph 9 on 30/01/2008 00:12:49
   Originally by: Dark Shikari It is much like asking a Christian to prove that his God exists--or just as much, asking an atheist to prove that God does not.
 
 
  These are in fact different. This is a logical fallicy, specifically proof of non-existence, grabbing a random quote from google as I can't be bothered to type. (http://www.nobeliefs.com/fallacies.htm specifically)
  When an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.
  P.S. I think we've completely derailed your thread Ecnav. Sorry.
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